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		<title>By: Megan Taylor</title>
		<link>http://www.megantaylor.org/wordpress/2009/01/12/news-web-site-user-interfaces/#comment-50272</link>
		<dc:creator>Megan Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 16:29:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Love how it took so long to figure that out. I should have spotted the discrepency between PT&#039;s vocab and what I was thinking about earlier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love how it took so long to figure that out. I should have spotted the discrepency between PT&#8217;s vocab and what I was thinking about earlier.</p>
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		<title>By: Aron Pilhofer</title>
		<link>http://www.megantaylor.org/wordpress/2009/01/12/news-web-site-user-interfaces/#comment-50270</link>
		<dc:creator>Aron Pilhofer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 16:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Conclusion: we&#039;re saying the same thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Conclusion: we&#8217;re saying the same thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Megan Taylor</title>
		<link>http://www.megantaylor.org/wordpress/2009/01/12/news-web-site-user-interfaces/#comment-50269</link>
		<dc:creator>Megan Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 16:16:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right, I got wrapped up in the design, rather than the way the sites work. 

I don&#039;t think any news Web site should look like Twitter. That would be silly. And I subscribe to very few news feeds on Twitter because most just push the RSS and that&#039;s what Google Reader is for. (I have a rant for that, too.)

Personally, I can&#039;t think of anything that&#039;s going to get me to browse the home page of my local news site. It&#039;s just not the way I consume news.

But most people aren&#039;t like me.

So you&#039;re right. The real issue is changing how users interact with a news Web site, and how they can interact with each other through the site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right, I got wrapped up in the design, rather than the way the sites work. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think any news Web site should look like Twitter. That would be silly. And I subscribe to very few news feeds on Twitter because most just push the RSS and that&#8217;s what Google Reader is for. (I have a rant for that, too.)</p>
<p>Personally, I can&#8217;t think of anything that&#8217;s going to get me to browse the home page of my local news site. It&#8217;s just not the way I consume news.</p>
<p>But most people aren&#8217;t like me.</p>
<p>So you&#8217;re right. The real issue is changing how users interact with a news Web site, and how they can interact with each other through the site.</p>
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		<title>By: Aron Pilhofer</title>
		<link>http://www.megantaylor.org/wordpress/2009/01/12/news-web-site-user-interfaces/#comment-50268</link>
		<dc:creator>Aron Pilhofer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 15:54:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Thornton was picking the flavor-of-the-moment website (Facebook) and anointing it the savior of news. A few years ago, Amazon&#039;s recommendation engine was the answer (remember, Amazoning the News?). Now, it&#039;s social networks. Tomorrow, it will be whatever&#039;s next.

But to your point, I think actually both of those sites emulate certain things about newspapers: they are edited, and selected by human beings, published to a broad audience and consumed by you and me. I think we get too wrapped up in the superficial look and feel of a site, rather than the kinds of interactions it enables.

So, why would you suddenly change the NYTimes homepage into a Twitter-like feed? That&#039;s a bad idea. I&#039;m not ashamed to say I unsubscribed to almost all of the Times twitter feeds because it&#039;s a horrible experience. 

Unlike Twitter, the home page is a logically organized, known entity to most every user of the web. It is based on tried-and-true web standards, easy for users to navigate, etc. In other words, it doesn&#039;t &quot;make users think&quot; -- at least about the basics of getting around. It may not appeal to you, but if it didn&#039;t appeal to most of our readers, I suspect you&#039;d see web traffic going down, and not up. It may be old school, but there&#039;s nothing about the *interface* of the times or any other news site that isn&#039;t purely &quot;of the web.&quot;

I don&#039;t think this is about user interface. I think it&#039;s about user interaction. We should be finding are ways to enable the kinds of interactions you&#039;re talking about -- and i don&#039;t think that&#039;s accomplished by ripping up our home page (or global posts) and relaunching as TimesBook or something like that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Thornton was picking the flavor-of-the-moment website (Facebook) and anointing it the savior of news. A few years ago, Amazon&#8217;s recommendation engine was the answer (remember, Amazoning the News?). Now, it&#8217;s social networks. Tomorrow, it will be whatever&#8217;s next.</p>
<p>But to your point, I think actually both of those sites emulate certain things about newspapers: they are edited, and selected by human beings, published to a broad audience and consumed by you and me. I think we get too wrapped up in the superficial look and feel of a site, rather than the kinds of interactions it enables.</p>
<p>So, why would you suddenly change the NYTimes homepage into a Twitter-like feed? That&#8217;s a bad idea. I&#8217;m not ashamed to say I unsubscribed to almost all of the Times twitter feeds because it&#8217;s a horrible experience. </p>
<p>Unlike Twitter, the home page is a logically organized, known entity to most every user of the web. It is based on tried-and-true web standards, easy for users to navigate, etc. In other words, it doesn&#8217;t &#8220;make users think&#8221; &#8212; at least about the basics of getting around. It may not appeal to you, but if it didn&#8217;t appeal to most of our readers, I suspect you&#8217;d see web traffic going down, and not up. It may be old school, but there&#8217;s nothing about the *interface* of the times or any other news site that isn&#8217;t purely &#8220;of the web.&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think this is about user interface. I think it&#8217;s about user interaction. We should be finding are ways to enable the kinds of interactions you&#8217;re talking about &#8212; and i don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s accomplished by ripping up our home page (or global posts) and relaunching as TimesBook or something like that.</p>
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		<title>By: Megan Taylor</title>
		<link>http://www.megantaylor.org/wordpress/2009/01/12/news-web-site-user-interfaces/#comment-50265</link>
		<dc:creator>Megan Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 15:14:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right, RSS doesn&#039;t lend itself to serendipity. Although with Google News, I often get stories I wouldn&#039;t have gone looking for. 

But Twitter does. So does Delicious (which I forgot to mention...). Neither of these emulate newspapers.

I guess I should have emphasized the reluctance to spend a lot of time visiting different sites. I don&#039;t want to spend hours everyday checking the home pages of various news sites to get information. I want it to come to me through the 3 or 4 sites I already use on a regular basis.

I think Thornton was trying to get at the idea of news Web sites being more &quot;of the Web&quot; and less &quot;on the Web.&quot;

Does that make sense?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right, RSS doesn&#8217;t lend itself to serendipity. Although with Google News, I often get stories I wouldn&#8217;t have gone looking for. </p>
<p>But Twitter does. So does Delicious (which I forgot to mention&#8230;). Neither of these emulate newspapers.</p>
<p>I guess I should have emphasized the reluctance to spend a lot of time visiting different sites. I don&#8217;t want to spend hours everyday checking the home pages of various news sites to get information. I want it to come to me through the 3 or 4 sites I already use on a regular basis.</p>
<p>I think Thornton was trying to get at the idea of news Web sites being more &#8220;of the Web&#8221; and less &#8220;on the Web.&#8221;</p>
<p>Does that make sense?</p>
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		<title>By: Aron Pilhofer</title>
		<link>http://www.megantaylor.org/wordpress/2009/01/12/news-web-site-user-interfaces/#comment-50262</link>
		<dc:creator>Aron Pilhofer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 14:36:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, curious about something you said here. You don&#039;t visit news sites because you want serendipity? That seems contradictory to me.

In print, serendipity comes as you&#039;re browsing the paper front-to-back, and you stumble on things that interest you.

The only online equivalent to that I know of is the home page, which has usually been edited by human beings. Frequently, they&#039;ll push stories to the home page from sections I routinely ignore -- and there&#039;s your moment of serendipity.

I, too, am addicted to Google reader, but I find RSS is generally a terrible way to discover new things. But its nature, RSS is section- or topic-bound, and the chances of me finding something there that utterly surprises is pretty low.

Facebooking news as an alternative view (arguably, that&#039;s kind of what TimesPeople is) is a good idea as a supplement. But as an interface, it&#039;s a horrible way to consume news -- particularly if the notion of serendipity is important to you. By definition, you&#039;ll only see stories that meet a certain threshold of popularity, which is kind of the opposite of what you want.

So, to my mind, Thornton (as usual) couldn&#039;t be more wrong. If serendipity is a valuable thing -- and it is -- then what media sites should be doing is EXACTLY the opposite. We should be finding ways to bring what&#039;s great about the experience of reading a newspaper (or watching a newscast) online.

And the notion of serendipity should be very, very high on the list of traits we want to emulate -- there I couldn&#039;t agree with you more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, curious about something you said here. You don&#8217;t visit news sites because you want serendipity? That seems contradictory to me.</p>
<p>In print, serendipity comes as you&#8217;re browsing the paper front-to-back, and you stumble on things that interest you.</p>
<p>The only online equivalent to that I know of is the home page, which has usually been edited by human beings. Frequently, they&#8217;ll push stories to the home page from sections I routinely ignore &#8212; and there&#8217;s your moment of serendipity.</p>
<p>I, too, am addicted to Google reader, but I find RSS is generally a terrible way to discover new things. But its nature, RSS is section- or topic-bound, and the chances of me finding something there that utterly surprises is pretty low.</p>
<p>Facebooking news as an alternative view (arguably, that&#8217;s kind of what TimesPeople is) is a good idea as a supplement. But as an interface, it&#8217;s a horrible way to consume news &#8212; particularly if the notion of serendipity is important to you. By definition, you&#8217;ll only see stories that meet a certain threshold of popularity, which is kind of the opposite of what you want.</p>
<p>So, to my mind, Thornton (as usual) couldn&#8217;t be more wrong. If serendipity is a valuable thing &#8212; and it is &#8212; then what media sites should be doing is EXACTLY the opposite. We should be finding ways to bring what&#8217;s great about the experience of reading a newspaper (or watching a newscast) online.</p>
<p>And the notion of serendipity should be very, very high on the list of traits we want to emulate &#8212; there I couldn&#8217;t agree with you more.</p>
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